What do you think about the responses from your classmates for your Rorschach test? Do you think the Rorschach test is a viable way to test a person? After reading the article, do you think the Rorachach test should continue to be used? Why or why not?
Explain the irony in what Charlie thinks about his friends and what you know about his friends. What does that add to the story?
Remember to use textual evidence, either from the book or the article.
The Rorschach test is not a reliable test. A bunch of inkblots on a piece of paper does not tell what a person is like. When we did the "Rorschach test" I just guessed for half of the pictures. In the article it said, "therapists disagree on fully half of these variables, making the scores unreliable for diagnosis." So, if psychiatrists disagree on the test, it must not be a reliable test.
ReplyDeleteCharlie thinks his friends like him and are kind to him. He thinks they would never do anything wrong. In the book Charlie says, "Their all my good frends and we have lots of jokes and laffs here." His "friends" really just hung around him to laugh at him. They were actually very cruel to him and made fun of him. In the book, Joe Carp and Frank Reilly take Charlie to a bar where they make him dance and get him drunk. Of course, he sees this as just a game. It is ironic because Charlie thinks his "friends" are the opposite of what they are. This adds to the story because it leads to conflict in the story when Charlie gets smart and realizes his friends are not what he thought they were.
The Rorschach test is not a very reliable test to use in deciding if someone is sane or not. When I put up my ink blot 21 people wrote down what they thought it was and most of the answers were different. How is a psychotherapist supposed to decide how sane someone is by those answers? Some people had more imagination, some didn't know what it was, and some just wrote down the first thing that came in their minds. This might tell you what a person thinks at that time but it isn't enough to tell you how they think all of the time. Another problem is that every psychotherapist is different and they use their own opinion to decide what the results of the test mean. "Psychotherapists look at more than 100 different variables when scoring an answer...The PSPI review found that therapists disagree on fully half of these variables, making scoring unreliable for diagnosis." Another problem is that the tests fail to diagnose most of the commonly acquired mental problems. "The list of what it fails to diagnose includes depression, anxiety disorders, psychopathic personality, and violent and criminal tendencies." Based on this information the Rorschach test can be accused of being inefficient and unreliable, and I believe that it should not continue to be used because of this information.
ReplyDeleteThe irony that takes place in the novel Flowers for Algernon is dramatic irony. When the story begins Charlie has mental disabilities and he doesn't understand his friend’s actions. He thinks that his friends are always kind to him and never do anything that is wrong. As he writes his progress reports you start to understand what his friends are really like while he doesn't understand what happens. His friends take him to parties where they get him drunk and find ways to make fun of him. You as a reader know that they are being so terrible to him, while he thinks they are just being nice and laughs with them. This gives some excitement to the story and entices you as a reader. You get angry at his "friends" and wish you could do something about it or that he could do something about it. As he grows more intelligent and realizes what is happening, the enticement builds up. The dramatic irony in the story made by Charlie's lack of knowledge makes the story more exciting.
I think the responses for my rorschach test were inaccurate. I think the rorschach test is not a viable way to test a person because in my results not one person's saw the ink blots the same. I don't think the rorschach test should be used because hardly anybody sees the results the same. The irony is dramatic irony because you know his friends don't like Charlie but he doesn't. You can tell by the way they make fun of him and prank him. This makes you feel bad for Charlie and makes you hate his friends.
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw some of the answers for my Rorschach test I was really surprised, what most of the people saw I could not. I don't see how any of the answers make sense. No, I do not think the test is a reliable way to test people because clearly, everyone sees weird, different things and I don't see how some ink on a sheet of paper can determine peoples mental abilities. I don't the test should continue to be used, I mean, I don't see any harm in it, it is just wasting the peoples and doctors or therapists time since it has absolutly nothing to do with how a person is feeling. There is other, more successful and understanding ways to do that kind of thing.
ReplyDeleteIt is dramatic irony because you know something the character doesn't, Charlie thinks he has great friends, but they're not even truly friends they pretend to be to make fun of him. Because he doesn't know any better. He thinks they're all laughing and having a good time together but really they're making fun of him, which is not very nice. It adds to the story because it shows how clueless Charlie really is and then closer to the end he starts to realize what they're honestly doing and it makes him very mad, so it shows the differences of how Charlie used to be before the operation to how he is now, after the operation.
I think this test is absolutely useless. Not everyone will see the exact same things as you. When we done the test in class I personally saw alot of aliens or really wierd faces. I was so schocked when I saw some of the answers others put. The test in my opinion should not be used anymore. There are better scientific ways to figure out if someone is mentalaly okay or not.
ReplyDeleteIts dramatic irony. We can all see how everyone actually thinks of Charlie. How they always make fun of him when he thinks they are his friends. After he becomes "smart" he finally starts to realize what all has been happening to him. So in a way he is finally becoming aware to the world around him when he used to think everyone is really nice and kind, now he is finally realizing people are just really mean for no good reason.
I think that ,in my case, the Rorschach test was slightly accurate,because a lot of people in mine said that it looked like the same thing.In other peoples, mostly everyone didn't agree on what they looked like,so in the majority they are inaccurate.i believe they shouldn't be used anymore,because they are too general to tell someone whats wrong with them.
ReplyDeletethe irony in the story is dramatic because Charlie doesn't understand that they are making fun of him or teasing him and he doesn't know it. It add real feelings to it because you feel sorry for Charlie because you know what is happening to him but he doesn't.
In the responses to my Rorshach test, there were a few answers that were the same, but the rest were very far off. Because some of the answers were so different, I don't think the Rorschach test should be used to test people. No one sees the exact same thing in the cards, so they shouldn't be used to tell who is 'normal' and who is not. The irony about Charlie's friends is that he thinks they are all good friends and have fun together, but really they are just using him as something to make fun of and be mean to. At a party that Charlie and his coworkers went to, they had him dance with a lampshade on his head. Charlie thought they were laughing with him, but really they were laughing at him. This adds to the story because as the operation's effects start Charlie begins to see the world how everyone else sees it, and realizes that his 'friends' were just using him as a joke.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that the responses to my Rorschach test were reliable because after we all finished the test you couldn't understand what the inkblots were there for. When I looked at everybody elses I noticed that it wasn't just my test that was hard to understand it was everybody's. So I don't think the test was a good test. I think that test made everybody look like their IQ was really low because nobody knew what their inkblots symbolized nor could they get a picture out of the ink. I just think that since everybody had a different imagination that not everybody would see what you do. The Irony about Charlies friends is that he think that they are really nice and they are like his best friends. When really his co workers make fun of him and laugh at him. Charlie thinks that when his co workers laugh that they are all laughing together but in reality they are just laughing at charlie because they are always fooling him. This adds to the story because when Charlies IQ rises, one of the first things he notices is that his "friends" aren't really his friends, they just like to put him down.
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